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MR. DENIS DE VLAMING:  | 
Do you think that  | 
somebody can pick a fight without throwing the first 
punch? Do you understand my question?
 
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MR. DENIS DE VLAMING:  | 
Mr. X, I can  | 
look over her shoulder and see you nodding your head. Do 
you think there are occasions where that can happen?
 
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MR. X:  | 
Yes, it can be instigated. | 
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MR. DENIS DE VLAMING:  | 
Say it again. | 
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MR. X:  | 
If you push someone a little  | 
too far just by words a lot of people will step over the 
line with words and instigate a fight.
 
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MR. DENIS DE VLAMING:  | 
Does anybody  | 
disagree with Mr. X? Do you understand what he 
said? That somebody can pick a fight, instigate it 
without throwing the first punch? I am seeing all nods, 
shake your head 
-- 
raise your hand if you say, “No, I 
don’t think that could happen.” Ms. X raised her 
hand. Go ahead, ma’am.
 
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MS. X:  | 
No, I was agreeing with what  | 
he was saying.
 
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MR. DENIS DE VLAMING:  | 
Now, that you have  | 
raised your hand, that will teach you. It went out of my 
head. Let me take a look. Oh. Did you ever hear the 
expression “somebody’s personal space.” Has anyone ever